14 Feb 2016 17:35 GMT
admin1, thanks a lot for the extra column in table 5! By the way, utimm is right: Average points per level in table 5 isn't the inversion of Average place, but the outcome of Points in table 5 divided by Completed levels in table 1. In my case for instance: 6064 / 15078 = 0.4. So, the extra column isn't redundant, but offers new information.
14 Feb 2016 16:30 GMT
Utimm: I am intrigued by your "What about a new list with solo first places?" idea. Not from a "statistic" standpoint, but one that would then link to each puzzle that has a solo 1st place solution. It would be a "king of the hill" list that sends a challenge to everyone to come knock me off the top. Comments anyone? Admin1?
14 Feb 2016 16:15 GMT
Utimm: You are correct. Since that table was Arnold's baby (See posts: 11 Jul 2013 18:21 GMT, 27 Jul 2013 15:41 GMT) I should let him defend it, but it has some merit. I see Admin has added the requested column. Sorting on place I see no large alteration. JotaCartas stands out. I've seen that he radically changed his play style a couple of years ago. (He may actually be an AI agent being tested by Google - j/k - but if he is, he got a software rev.) I would still question the entire place scheme. If 25 people found a shortest 50 move solution and you do it in 51 moves, you get 2nd place status. Realistically you deserve 26th place. In your example, the table rewards a player with 1st & 99th over one with two 5th place finishes. If you were at a horse (or dog, people, turtle, auto)race, would you bet on a participant with consistent 5th place showings, or one who's won half his competitions?
14 Feb 2016 08:03 GMT
Here is a last example, that there is something wrong with the point-system in Rating 5. Player A: Places: 5 and 5 - av. Place=5 - av. Points=0,2 -- Player B: Places 1 and 99 - av. Place=50 - av. Points=0,505. Which player had a better performance?
13 Feb 2016 21:54 GMT
My average place is about 3,8 and that's not the inversion of my average points.
13 Feb 2016 20:03 GMT
Sorry, but the average place is not the inverted average points: Here are some easy eaxamples - 2 Games, Places 1 and 9 - average place: 5 - average points: 0,555 --- Places 1 and 99 - average place: 50 - average points: 0,505. The av. places difference is 45 and the av. points diff. is 0,05!!!
13 Feb 2016 18:22 GMT
Arnold: My point - if I have one - is that displaying both would be redundant. Either can be used to compare player's "efficiency" assuming that both are striving to find the shortest solution. I suspect some - perhaps many - are content finding any solution. They play a different game, so comparison is meaningless. Realistically, the one thing shown by all these tables is that if your username is on these lists, you are hopelessly addicted to the pointless pursuit of pushing little, digital boxes around a phantom maze and you probably should get up and go outside more... I think I will... after I finish *one* more level.
13 Feb 2016 15:20 GMT
MnLsDad, you're right, value of last column is inversion of average place, in my case for example: 1/2.5 = 0.4 (cause 1/0.4 = 2.5). I agree with utimm however that average place 2.5 is a more concrete and comprehensible value than its inversion 0.4.
13 Feb 2016 13:32 GMT
Utimm & Arnold: Re: Table 5. Realize how the 'points' are awarded 1/1 for 1st, 1/2 for 2nd, 1/3 for 3rd. So the average is showing exactly what you are asking for, just inverted. MaxKlaxx .99 almost all 1st place. JotaCartas .5 average = 2nd place. Dijana .76 approx 1.5 place. MicMac .34 approx 3rd place. Hugo .25 = 4th place. Rose .20 = 5th place... The fraction is the finish. Arnold .4 = average 2.5 place. Utimm .56 = ave 1.79 place.
12 Feb 2016 11:01 GMT
yes, it is possible
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